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Post by Tommy Musashi on Mar 26, 2008 20:01:36 GMT -5
Hey, just because the fact that sometimes they get the abbreviations of GHW wrong. Or the fact that they don't know how to spell, or don't know where to put punctuation. Does not mean we can't help them. I know of a few rpers here who started out just like that, but after some hard work they became pretty good Rpers.
And stuff like what you said are reasons why we never get any good new members. Everybody starts at the bottom, and sometimes they need more guidance then their school teachers to get them to the top. Sometimes they need other help.
The School could help, but I think going through matches and constant POSITIVE criticism on their rps can greatly increase their skills and self confidence.
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Post by Metal Dragon on Mar 26, 2008 21:02:26 GMT -5
Okay then, I apologize and take that back. In my many experiences on other forums, e-fed or not, a change like that never happened even after politely asking for proofreading. However, if you say it has, then I'll believe you.
*pulls out a big plate with dead crows on it and begins to chow down*
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Post by Brian Commonwealth on Mar 26, 2008 21:15:04 GMT -5
Rob, I think you were missing my point. The point is not that I do not think those people are not entertaining, because I love watching those guys RP. It's the fact that all of those guys might not be here one day and then who would we be able to rely on, NO ONE. GHW (RP Side) would die all at once because no one even knows our new members so who's going to want to watch those guys. MY point was that we need to prepare the new members today so that way GHW won't be stranded in the future when we're all out of our really good RPers. (Because everyone eventually stops RPing)
And not just prepare, but promote.
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Post by Desperado on Mar 27, 2008 3:05:49 GMT -5
I see where Brian is coming from. i recently created a new fed along wit Ocheeva and we did this from scratch picking up Rpers from here and there and constant promoting. Ocheeva had some net problems and left mysellf to it. Most were new to RPing and efeding all togother but consistently telling them how well they were doing and adding improvement tips after all their matches, I managed to create a team of decent RPers.
Those who started off writing half a paragrpah of rubbish are now writing 1000-2000 words of decent wrestling. Obviously they are not yet to GHW standard. A few have joined but only Tripp managed to stay active in both feds. The others dropped out because it was too much to handle.
10 positives match 1 negative comment someone once told me. I used this technique to encourage the people I had and giving advice rather than criticism and its worked well. I kept pushing the guys I thought can do well and it helped them grow more active. I was constantly giving them opportunities to test their talents against each other for title shots and setting up tournaments so the matches they fought meant something.
There are many hidden talents waiting to be found. Look at myself for example. I had Fedding experience but only to a vow-based extent and I rarely RPed yet upon joining GHW I fit right in. I managed to grasp the whole match writing idea form my first match which was against Vlad. I read his work closely and used it to inspire my own. It wasn't the best of works but it was good enough for a challenge we managed to produce two pages of RPs.
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Post by Metal Dragon on Mar 28, 2008 17:22:37 GMT -5
While I still agree that I was too harsh, there's one thing that I must say.
Hyper/Tommy, I never criticized his RPing. I was saying something about his spelling and grammar. People can improve, but until then I don't care if someone is the biggest in-ring genius of all time; if his or her writing is incoherent and illegible, it's not enjoyable to read. It's a pain in the ass to see half of the in-character threads full of that stuff while looking for a storyline to jump into. This goes for RPs, essays, stories, Myspace bulletins, anything involving text. I should have made that more clear.
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Post by Metal Dragon on Apr 8, 2008 18:08:05 GMT -5
Okay, I know I kind of stated this earlier in the thread, but here's some more detail.
I just thought of this theory. Okay, notice that VOW activity is booming right now, whereas RP activity is... well, not. Whereas, in the summer, RP activity was great, and VOW activity was good, but not quite as much as now.
What I'm thinking is that when people are in school, they don't have time to RP, but VOW just requires a few minutes to use all your AP. However, in the summer, a lot of people have hours to write RPs and therefore need something more time-consuming than VOW to unbore them.
HYPOTHESIS: In the summer, everything will be fixed.
Does this make any sense?
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Post by Vladimir T. Strife on Apr 8, 2008 19:32:14 GMT -5
I really agree with what Brian is saying but there is only one problem with that. See, the RP side is 100% creative control. You decide what happens with your character with the absence of part of the booking and ranking on cards. If we push new guys, then we've got unstable big guys we can't tell if they will be decent or not. The only way to really push is to do it in character and to improve. Look at Metal Dragon here for instance. For a long while, he was working the lower card but lately he decided to work a bit harder and threw a few promos to show he was ready to move up and he has.
If someone wants that push to be raised up, they have to put in a tad work for it. However, there is a bit we can. Bookers can start moving talent up a bit they recognize and we need to start giving people harder matches, maybe booking some of the lower or newer guys against the bigger names and the veterans so that they might pick up a bit of the ropes so to speak as Desperado mentioned he did.
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Post by Hayden on Apr 9, 2008 6:13:23 GMT -5
Sorry, I'm just catching up with this thrad. It has really takn off since i last read it.
I just read Brian Commonwealth's post on page two and all the discussion it has generated. Its all healthy, but I dont think some people realise just how much work the people who'se names are always thrown around put into their work. Take my heel turn and the blackmailing gimmic for instance. I had been planning that for weeks if not months, picking up developments here and there. I find myself constantly thinking about this Hayden HardKore guy and who he really is. I will always pride myself on putting te best performance I can, and expanding my RP abilities, because we are al learning, none of us are ever the be-all-and-end-all. Yes, I have lost some matches that I thought I deserved to win, but It is all good. Win, loss or draw, your efforts will always be rewarded.
I feel I am rambling abit. I guess I just wanted to encourage some of the people struggling to make their way up the ranks to hang in there, and put the effort in that you need to. BUT always remember... Real Life stuff ALWAYS comes first. Don't sacrifice your studies, relationships or whatever just to get a push on GHW.[/i] That is not what this is all about.
Oh, by the way. I just though I'd point out that I am not in actual fact in the GHW banner at the top of the page, cntrary to popular belief. I don't think I have ever been on an official GHW Banner (maybe 1, back in the days when I was actualy a GM, but that was pre-retirement lol).
Well, I am going to shut up now. Man, I tal for to long sometimes
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Post by emblem on Apr 9, 2008 7:58:46 GMT -5
Yep, Hayden is right. If I reflect on myself, well even though I lost more matches then I won...Look where I am. I, and not just myself, people are able to move up even if they lose! I picked up things from the bigger boys, developed a personal system for my entrance and look where I am now. The rest of the improvement has gone unnoticed to me, but others saw it.
Next to that, bein in Hayden's blackmail story takes effort too.
And about his coloured statement, that one's true to me too. ATM I have headaches for days long, combined with exams...The second probably caused the first, bu hey, Real Life is better then getting a push in GHW.
But pushing other members...Well, I have said that I have interest in the school, so I could push them a bit, but if they wanna rise, then they have to do a part themselves...
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Post by Hayabusa on Apr 10, 2008 3:00:01 GMT -5
I really like the idea of adding constructive criticism to the matches after having read them. I did that with the Pay Per View matches and I think it added a touch of encouragement as well as gentle nice prodding in the direction of improvement. I could see comments put on the results at the end of each match.
I agree that we need a new influx of talent to keep the RPs fresh and flowing. Also I like the idea of booking matches where the new people go up against the more experienced people so that they can learn the ropes. I also think that the 1000 word limit is a good thing as it doesn't make posting in your match overwhelming to someone else who may get scared when those of us who can post 10k+ character posts all day. One of the reasons why I wanted to retire Hawkeye was so that some of the younger and newer talent could have a chance to shine or maybe get a piece of the spotlight. Granted I am probably the oldest person here when it comes to years of RPing. And even I have stunk up the joint many times.
But I think adding constructive comments to the end of a match in the results section will help to nurture and bring along a good group of RPers that can step up when the superstars who have made it big suddenly can not perform.
Course I should probably stop rping multiple characters and focus more of my time on mentoring or something LOL.
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Post by Desperado on Apr 11, 2008 3:27:02 GMT -5
I've got an idea. Why not add an RP sample in the contract template so everyone must nclude a sample of their work before joining GHW. If its good enough they can join. If its not up to a high standard then they will be assigned to the RP School. They could go through a graduation where they must post an entrance, a promo/interview and a match. Each segment is graded like in school raging from and A to an F. They get an overall grade with the four combined. A 'C' or above and they pass. Less than a C and they will have to work on improvements through feedback and try again until they get it right.
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Post by Brian Commonwealth on Apr 11, 2008 19:16:21 GMT -5
I like that Desperado, except for the grading thing. It's more of a nuiscance to me than anything else. I mean, the people who are grading these should be good enough to determine if they should be put on the main roster or not with a simple yes or no and none of this, "Oh! Here little boy! You get a B-! Study for your next test!" The "grading" system has always seemed so lame to me and this is just more of me bitching than anything else. Just have always thought grading RPs like schoolwork was cheesy. Good overall idea though.
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Post by Desperado on Apr 12, 2008 2:50:49 GMT -5
Ditch the grading then, just review and offer improvements.
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Post by Hayabusa on Apr 12, 2008 23:50:19 GMT -5
*pimp slap to Brian and Desperado* I owe you two that lol. Now back to the subject I think that would have merit and having someone who decides if someone is ready or not is not a bad idea. I would agree that grading using the ABC method but how about using a star method. If someone makes a great entrance then grade it from one to five stars. Taking into account knocking quarter points off. That may work better then using the ABC system for posting. But also we can just go by constructive critisim and see how that works with getting people to improve before we toss them into a roster spot. If there was a way to set up ranks such as Opener, Lower Mid Card, Mid Card Upper, Mid Card and then Main Event. That could help provide a yard stick but would require the GM's or another person to decide who would be where based on there skill.
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Post by Hyperion on Apr 13, 2008 2:54:17 GMT -5
I love the idea guys, in fact if you like seen as I have just signed my contract I might go and work on it and right a great RP in there of my entrance extending it how I would be likely to do it for a match lol. But I think if we are going to do this we apply it coming back into the fold as well, If someone is cut from a roster they have to go thrugh the stages coming back just the same as someone starting up. I shall be wrestling as the Anvil so I hope to see you soon
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