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Post by Blake Valediction on May 10, 2009 18:02:42 GMT -5
Gods and Heretics wrestling.... The only place where you don't have the right to free speech, the only place where you'll get suspended for putting on an entertaining segment. I didn't know Drew would take it far when I said Nigger. Nor did I know people like Lyoto Matchida who is white in real life gets "offended" for me saying Nigger.
People like Drew are good at running a wrestling federation but it's his rules and staff who get in the way. Tony for example, WHAT A DUMBASS. Someone who judges matches based on length and not quality of a match has no business helping running a fed.
Back to the nigger discussion. I feel that people who watch GHW should be mature enough not to go ballistic over things I or anyone else says, people like me make this federation what it is. We are how you say the color of Gods and Heretics wrestling, without us this place would possibly be dull and dead. If Drew could see this maybe he'd let me and a select few do what we want.
I think that people who rage over stuff so insignificant like words should be suspended, not only are they the ones who start the commotion but they are the ones who keep it going ex. Lyoto Matchida. I went back in my rp and edited out me saying nigger and yet he has to keep it going.
If the board of administrators decide to take this off that's their fault I'm voicing my opinion about all the shit that has gone on, yet no one seems to see from my point of view. I know that some people understand me and agree with me yet they just don't have the balls to come out and show it.
Spoken by many, if you delete this you're just hiding the truth.
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Post by Metal Dragon on May 10, 2009 18:25:30 GMT -5
HIDING THE TRUTH
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Post by jasonfitzpatrick on May 10, 2009 18:38:13 GMT -5
May I just say....
I SUPPORT BLAKE VALEDICTION
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Post by Young Gangsta on May 10, 2009 20:01:51 GMT -5
Here's my somewhat unnecessary take on this...
What caused all of this was an RP, which aren't supposed to be taken seriously out of character. So what? He said nigger, big shit. He was giving his heel Fighty fighty person an immense amount of heat, and trying to establish a feud in an effective way.
Anyone remember back when there was a little bit of controversy surrounding former WWE Fighty fighty person JBL? While wrestling at a house show in Germany, he decided to Nazi salute the crowd to draw heat. You know what? It worked. Then some fucker decided to report in the media what he did, and taken out of context, he was portrayed as a bad guy. JBL, in character, is someone who would most likely do this. John Charles Layfield, on the other hand, is a very respected person/economist.
Blake in character is a motherfucker. It's who he is though. He's a heel. If you cant handle RPs that get a little inappropriate, then you might as well fucking stop RPing
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Post by mw on May 10, 2009 20:36:00 GMT -5
If a word is not blocked by the admins, they thereby give their explicit consent for the members of the fed to use it liberally. If I'm not mistaken the "N-Word" is blocked when a chat is started, so the only way for him to have used the word in the first place was for someone to have un-blocked it....so why so serious?
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Post by Psycho Savage on May 10, 2009 21:06:44 GMT -5
Frankly, I am getting kind of tired of seeing this constant complaining that never seems to be fully answered. Yes, I could just tell you my opinion on it through instant messenger or something, but you could have very well done the same thing... so I will post it here as well.
There is something called Professionalism, and while I can see I am not always the direct denotation of this simple yet complex word, I feel this is the best way to approach the problem that you present. (going to use a reference here, just because I think it will be more meaningful than some biased rant that I create)
Formation of a profession A profession arises when any trade or occupation transforms itself through "the development of formal qualifications based upon education and examinations, the emergence of regulatory bodies with powers to admit and discipline members, and some degree of monopoly rights." The process by which a profession arises from a trade or occupation is often termed professionalization and has been described as one, "starting with the establishment of the activity as a full-time occupation, progressing through the establishment of training schools and university links, the formation of a professional organization, and the struggle to gain legal support for exclusion, and culminating with the formation of a formal code of ethics.
Regulation Regulation enforced by statute distinguishes a profession from other occupations represented by trade groups who aspire to professional status for their members.. In all countries, professions have their regulatory or professional bodies, whose function is to define, promote, oversee, support and regulate the affairs of its members. For some professions there may be several such bodies.
Autonomy Professions tend to be autonomous, which means they have a high degree of control of their own affairs: "professionals are autonomous insofar as they can make independent judgments about their work" This usually means "the freedom to exercise their professional judgement." However, it has other meanings. "Professional autonomy is often described as a claim of professionals that has to serve primarily their own interests...this professional autonomy can only be maintained if members of the profession subject their activities and decisions to a critical evaluation by other members of the profession " The concept of autonomy can therefore be seen to embrace not only judgement, but also self-interest and a continuous process of critical evaluation of ethics and procedures from within the profession itself.
Power All professions have power. This power is used to control its own members, and also its area of expertise and interests. A profession tends to dominate, police and protect its area of expertise and the conduct of its members, and exercises a dominating influence over its entire field which means that professions can act monopolist, as well as subordinating and controlling lesser but related trades. A profession is characterized by the power and high prestige it has in society as a whole. It is the power, prestige and value that society confers upon a profession that more clearly defines it.
Now after reading that, if you bother to that is, you will see that this reference seems to correlate to the real world and you may also begin to think that this shouldn't apply here in GHW. This is just an online e-federation, this is just something you do for fun, and it shouldn't be taken so seriously, right? Well, this is partly true. This is supposed to be fun; but there also lies some fault in this thinking, because this online federation can't mean that much to you right? I mean... it's not like you or other people spend a lot of time on here, putting time into it, right? It's not like you or other people care enough about this place to make points about problems that you think need to be fixed, right? Not too long ago, someone told me "If you don't think the internet is real life, well then you're just stupid" At first, I didn't totally agree with this statement, but it didn't take too long to realize that this person was right; and that the internet is like real life in a way. Everyone here is a person, everyone here comes time and time again for the same, or similar reasons that you do.
What I'm trying to say is that I respect the right to have an opinion and to voice that opinion, but if this is like real life in any way, why shouldn't the code of ethics, morals, and civility be upheld the very same way it should be in the real world. If you can't realize that, then maybe you need something that I can't give you, and that's a reality check.
If you wish to rebuke my opinions, I ask that you do so respectfully and I will do the same.
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Post by Tyler Angel on May 10, 2009 22:34:19 GMT -5
In Blake's case, it's one thing to say dishonorable words in roleplaying, but if he had done it in regular chat or "OOC" clearly then there would be a problem.
It's ridiculous and childish to get mad at someone for doing or saying bad stuff in character. If that were the case, everyone would be in fault or at least there would be no use for heels in wrestling both professional and e-fedding.
What we are doing is for fun, and it's not like you are getting insulted in person, your character is.
If you take roleplaying personally, now is the time to get out.
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Post by carter87 on May 10, 2009 22:47:24 GMT -5
Gods and Heretics wrestling.... The only place where you don't have the right to free speech, the only place where you'll get suspended for putting on an entertaining segment. I didn't know Drew would take it far when I said Nigger. Nor did I know people like Lyoto Matchida who is white in real life gets "offended" for me saying Nigger. People like Drew are good at running a wrestling federation but it's his rules and staff who get in the way. Tony for example, WHAT A DUMBASS. Someone who judges matches based on length and not quality of a match has no business helping running a fed. Back to the nigger discussion. I feel that people who watch GHW should be mature enough not to go ballistic over things I or anyone else says, people like me make this federation what it is. We are how you say the color of Gods and Heretics wrestling, without us this place would possibly be dull and dead. If Drew could see this maybe he'd let me and a select few do what we want. I think that people who rage over stuff so insignificant like words should be suspended, not only are they the ones who start the commotion but they are the ones who keep it going ex. Lyoto Matchida. I went back in my rp and edited out me saying nigger and yet he has to keep it going. If the board of administrators decide to take this off that's their fault I'm voicing my opinion about all the shit that has gone on, yet no one seems to see from my point of view. I know that some people understand me and agree with me yet they just don't have the balls to come out and show it. Spoken by many, if you delete this you're just hiding the truth. Honestly man why is this coming up again? Why is my name brought into this again? You must also have a different recollection of that thread. I remember expressing an opinion i had on your RP and your choice of words. Then you went back and edited it and i kept going? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? You kept up your stupid childish racist comments. You didnt edit shit till the end of the last thread posts. Then when Xant gets on you delete your posts and edit the shit. I could really give a shit less what you think of me. And im not to keen on you either kid. But dont lie about shit. Your childish and immature, When you grow up one day you will understand. And if you think that word helps you express yourself so much, Or that if you cant use it your going to have to whine then your just pathetic. Why dont you go play Blake Valediction in the real world and say some shit like that, Then when your getting your face kicked in just keep screaming " This is America I have a freedom of speech" Im pretty sure GHW wasnt dull and dead before you came and started spouting verbal diarrhea and im pretty sure it wont be dull and dead after you and your poor choice of words. Get over it and yourself.
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Post by carter87 on May 10, 2009 22:51:31 GMT -5
In Blake's case, it's one thing to say dishonorable words in roleplaying, but if he had done it in regular chat or "OOC" clearly then there would be a problem. It's ridiculous and childish to get mad at someone for doing or saying bad stuff in character. If that were the case, everyone would be in fault or at least there would be no use for heels in wrestling both professional and e-fedding. What we are doing is for fun, and it's not like you are getting insulted in person, your character is. If you take roleplaying personally, now is the time to get out. OOC like him posting the single word all caps in the same thread to attempt to get another rise out of me?
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Post by Metal Dragon on May 10, 2009 23:27:11 GMT -5
I'm going to play double agent in this. I'm for Blake and against Blake in certain aspects.
As for being for him, I agree with Young Gangsta. He was simply getting heat, and while it isn't the most suave or professional way to do it, he did it to get heat. I know Dakota isn't a legitimate racist, so I did not believe it was reprehensible. I also agree that whites such as Lyoto should not be personally offended by a word that does not refer to them. As a white person, I'm not.
As for where Dakota's wrong, it's a rule and deal with it. Vladimir Strife and Xantaxm run different feds for this exact reason; they have different ideas of what you can do in feds. If I ever gave Dakota the delusion that his friendship with me gave him freedom to do whatever he wanted, I regret it because it means I'm the fuel behind this thread. It's extremely immature to dig up an old issue and bash the administration when they've already buried the hatchet with you, regardless of whether you're leaving or not.
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Post by Desperado on May 11, 2009 2:31:45 GMT -5
The truth is simple, ... You have to follow rules, wether you like them or not. There's plenty of other feds out there you can join if you wish to express yourself more strongly but there is no point arguing with the fed owners about it if they've made a decision. Thats there decision and you should come to respect it.
As for the whole thing about the 'N-Word' I don't see anything wrong with it when used in Roleplay. Well that's my opinion anyway. So blake if you want to stay and stick by the rules thats fine and if you wish to leave and that is fine as well. And its good that you created this thread because it helps improve the understanding of everybody around of what is happening and what they think of it. Keeping your feelings and thoughts locked up inside just makes you feel worse and you end up hating over small things.
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Post by Bulldogs (Duncan + Genesis) on May 11, 2009 8:46:42 GMT -5
Why does this all sound to me like: 'If I don't get my own way, I'm leaving' Oh, probably because that is exactly what is being said.
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Post by icp on May 11, 2009 9:38:49 GMT -5
point blank the N-word means a ignorant person that is the actual definition of the word so any one no matter of color can be one. Now as for my take on all of this if it is used in a rp thats fine go for it cus all your doing is attacking a persons char. Now if you do it OOC or in a chat or any place that has been defined as non role play then it is a attack on the person not the char.
I have had this exact problem with someone in a different fed but the difference is I was called it in a OOC/chat area not in char. By the way I am white and a big supporter of free speech. But crying about things like some people have done here is complete BS remember you "signed a contract" to be here that means that you agreed to any and ALL rules. So if you can not adhere to those rules then I suggest that you leave and start your own fed cus things here in GHW will not change.
I know this cus the rules here are the same now as they where back in 2005 when this place first opened it's doors.
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Post by JH on May 11, 2009 9:48:06 GMT -5
the word 'Nigger' is usually an offencive word (definition from answers.com : Used as a disparaging term for a Black person). i have never used the word and i see no reason why i should. Ok, maybe Lyoto should not get offended but thats not the point. someone will get offended. It does not matter if it is rp or not...i can not go into my english exam in a few week time say such words with the only excuse that is i do not use these words. I think I could get an automatic U if i did. my point is it is an inapropiate word to use... now to John's point. 'If I don't get my own way, I'm leaving' Go on then
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Post by Skull on May 11, 2009 11:37:22 GMT -5
Personally I didn't find it offensive because it was in a roleplay, in character etc but I just wanna pick up on a few things you just said. "people like me make this federation what it is" Really? Slightly egotistical. "without us this place would possibly be dull and dead" Well GHW has been around for a long time before you arrived and it'll probably be here after you've gone. "I think that people who rage over stuff so insignificant like words should be suspended" So you should be suspended ... if you take offense to something ... ooooooookkkkkkkkk. "If Drew could see this maybe he'd let me and a select few do what we want." So .... you think you should be able to do whatever you want and get preferential treatment just because you're a better RPer than everybody else. Riiiight. I don't like ballet. For this reason I don't watch it. Likewise, if I didn't like GHW I wouldn't post on it anymore. Why can't I just return to a happy fed with no arguements...
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