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GHW NXT
Sept 10, 2010 9:09:00 GMT -5
Post by TPK on Sept 10, 2010 9:09:00 GMT -5
If I was chosen as Rookie i'd want Alex Stall or Chris Pyro as a pro...Canadians unite bitches *In character at least *
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GHW NXT
Sept 10, 2010 10:02:14 GMT -5
Post by Dustin Delta on Sept 10, 2010 10:02:14 GMT -5
I can haz Ryan Hughes as a pro?
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GHW NXT
Sept 10, 2010 12:32:18 GMT -5
Post by guest on Sept 10, 2010 12:32:18 GMT -5
well given my significant ring rust and the fact I haven't really match rpd on ghw, I'll happily be a rookie. I like the idea and the potential story lines that could unfold out of this scenario. Could be just what I need to motivate myself again.
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GHW NXT
Sept 10, 2010 19:37:59 GMT -5
Post by Hayden on Sept 10, 2010 19:37:59 GMT -5
I'll have TNT as a rookie... Gladly accept that!
I'd be happy with anybody who comes with a positive attitude and willing to learn though, everybody is a winner...
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GHW NXT
Sept 10, 2010 19:48:17 GMT -5
Post by Linette Alister on Sept 10, 2010 19:48:17 GMT -5
Well, I'd love to see this idea get off the ground. It would be a good way to boost the second show, a good way for new people to learn the ropes and for some of us returning folks to get back into the swing of things.
Any Staff around to discuss the possibility of this actually happening?
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GHW NXT
Sept 10, 2010 23:17:36 GMT -5
Post by Matt Oliveira on Sept 10, 2010 23:17:36 GMT -5
Holy shit, where did this thread come from, damn college.
Seeing as this idea has snowballed this far I'll take it into consideration, sure. My only concerns are that we'd be labeling some guys as rookies that don't even deserve the title, in one instance both Reeves and Dustin, who have been putting on a absolutely mind-blowing title match the past two weeks. For the most part from what I've seen from them in that match alone, I know they're ready to be boosted and I don't see them as anywhere near green as I did two weeks ago. Another opportunity is the Death From Above match, which with the right build-up and promotion, can excel multiple participants other than the winner. On top of this, what can happen is the feeling if inferiority of new talent and they become uninterested because of a giant ladder they're introduced to when they join.
In this idea's defense, it'd most likely keep more new guys around and pressure them more to improve -as long as it doesn't turn sour and we start taking things too seriously. They need to be hungry and want to improve, or RP in the first place (see Steve O'Shaunessy, AJ Scally, Xavier Blaze) with the understanding that when in a match, you're either going to win or lose and you need to endure whichever decision comes your way.
I believe that GHW isn't a two-tier company, but a free-flowing card. There's no clubs, no classes, but basically me taking in what everybody has produced and promoting whomever inspired me more with their vision of their match. That victory is with either a golden-text header for your match at the end of the month, or your name being listed a few hard returns lower on the card. Any match at any time can make you big, see Delta vs. Reeves, because it happened. They've practically run their fingers to the bone because they themselves feel what this is all about.
As for GHW Live!, it's just a show to fill in-between big cards because I understand we all have lives and some of us want a week off in-between...and to others that want to improve, there it is, and I'll happily go over with you in what I think you should improve in. In other cases, for working out kinks in secondary characters like the Owen Richards' and the Colton Cruise's.
Anyways, let's continue discussing whether or not starting another LDWA project is even needed, lest it leave everybody tired and the majority dropping the project in a month's time.
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GHW NXT
Sept 10, 2010 23:35:13 GMT -5
Post by Linette Alister on Sept 10, 2010 23:35:13 GMT -5
Good points made Matt.
That's why I suggested the sign-up sheet. It's more of a thing, like myself, where people sign up as Rookies to get the help they feel they need. To pursue getting better and doing it in a way where not only can people watch them grow, but also where they know they'll get the help from those who sign on as Pro's.
That idea is why I'd personally sign on as a Rookie. I've been out of the game since January. I personally liked the thought of getting some one-on-one time, in character, with a "Pro" to redevelop my own skills, learn some things I never knew in the past and of course, an outside view is always to be welcomed if it's constructive.
Just the suggestion, hoping to get some feedback on that.
But it eliminates the "Inferiority Complex" of it considering the person signed on to learn, not to be a Low-Carder. And as for the idea of "Winning" and "Losing" being the goal, look at Daniels from Season 1 of NXT. He lost every match and like halfway through was the Pro's first choice because he was giving it his all.
So, then the whole suggestion of this can go from "Rookie and Pro - Matches are all that count" to "Pro helps Rookie in all aspects."
So if Rookie A is Undefeated but barely done anything past his matches.
Rookie B has lost all of his matches yet shoots promo's, builds their character "behind the scenes" and interacts with their Pro a lot in the Non-Match Forums.
Rookie B would trump Rookie A because where he isn't doing quite as well in the actual matches, he is putting more effort into the whole ride.
Just a way to even things out for some as well. And leaving the "Voting" up to the Pro's, it can't be a one-sided thing week to week. The one that gets the most votes based on effort in, let's say, a one month span, the person being boosted to the roster at the PPV.
That adds another big moment at a PPV. Makes people look forward to it more.
But still, just clarifying my suggestion. Wanted to get a little more in depth with the thoughts I could see around it. If people agree or disagree, that's be awesome. More ideas could help as well.
Personally, I think it would be an awesome idea, and it guarantees someone a big payoff for a lot of effort. A PPV Highlight or maybe a Title Shot (As was mentioned) to push them to put the effort into it.
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GHW NXT
Sept 11, 2010 0:15:31 GMT -5
Post by TPK on Sept 11, 2010 0:15:31 GMT -5
Also you should clarify that if you join this it is as a "rookie" in no way shape or form calling you an actual rookie, for the most part this is for the storyline aspect *and yes to help out with those who want and or need it*
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GHW NXT
Sept 11, 2010 0:17:05 GMT -5
Post by Matt Oliveira on Sept 11, 2010 0:17:05 GMT -5
Ah, so more like a big brother program. I'd really enjoy that, actually -part of my wishes were to be able to pick people's minds and find their true RPing character/personality (like Alex Night), but unfortunately I haven't the time nor effort to do so, but there is a way. For example, when finding this true character,( I'll use Delta again because I'm on the bandwagon now for him) it can be really simple from the amount of success in ring, the amount you promo, all of that- but with Dustin Delta I see a big young face vibe (alike his original base, Evan Bourne). Simply because he's fairly successful in-ring, but not much of a talker (for the most part). Likewise, we have really strong characters alike Millson II, who are developing the match-writing side of things (which also impressed me in the Death From Above match) but still drive it home because they're strong heels.
Personally speaking, I find that our biggest weakness as a fed is our above-average ability to RP (without factoring in blind pride, I believe we have the most legitimate literary strength in quite some time seen in feds) making due for a weakness in storyline. Not to sound prude, but the years of the "first class" from 2006-mid2008 were perhaps times of absolutely epic promos and writing. So much so, I've still been left to think what brought on such impeccable character development that hasn't occurred as strong as it did three years ago. WITH RESPECT TO OUR CURRENT CLASS, they average out the HIGHEST averaged RPing skill I've ever seen in my entire "career". So much so, many of those with a mid-card status could've taken any of us to the woodshed had they faced us at that time.
(reels himself back in to respond point for point)
So yeah, I think it may be better off to kinda do a buddy program as opposed to squaring off rookies week-after-week because you can only be as good as your opponent (and I've been trying to ween myself from that style of booking, but I feel bad making mismatched fights).
In the Rookie A - Rookie B scenario, I'm assuming that we agree that Rookie B, the more well-rounded, is the better one for the fed in general. If we were to prefer Rookie B in booking itself, that would lower the meaning of matches and possibly be counter-productive for shows, and leave booking a little in the dark ...but I think we agree that Rookie B is preferred, or I talked in circles because I could.
I agree in the voting as well, which coincides with another one of my personal goals as a GM. Those that are "pro"s now need to be given the opportunity to see where those starting off are, where they need to go, what they need to do, and even what steps they should make to better their characters (ex: teaming up Millson with Reeves). I'd REALLY want to see this as strong as I think I have the ability to, because I want to ensure that the same knowledge I share with some of the guys I talk to, through MSN and the like. I want to theories and ideas start, and take more forms and shapes, as the growth I've seen in some of my main eventers now (Walker Bros, Dominik, Ryan, Magnus,and many others) have ALL come to fruition within months of each other. I do wish to play as a judge to the pro panel to see what the veterans pick up, and we can discuss these elements.
My only disagreement is that I can't really grant title shots to those who improve the most simply because of how unstable the championship pictures are (and have always been in fedding). My only certainties are within feuds and angles, because as soon as a championship is added to the mix, I as a booker need to consider everybody else within that skill bracket as well. Example this month was Magnus Gunner, who had an incredibly close match with Dominik several weeks ago, and I immediately granted him a rematch in a PPV environment. However, the shaky thing with this is upon booking Code Blue did I realize some of Dominik and Magnus' inactivity with life itself, and therefore adding Santo to the mix to ensure the title was fought for and it's image withheld. But to Santo, is participation made sense because of the previous week's no contest tag match, which Mascaras made punctual for.
Secondly, and not really a disagreement, whether or not I have a specific number of money matches per PPV card is less of a concern, but more feuds makes it easier to book (keeping with my golden rule that no character is double-booked and title matches make sense). With Code Blue, the ammunition of four title matches comes in handy. Added to that was the DFA match, and Ziu/Tyson to gauge where they were at did help. So in all, every match has a story and they're easy to make or conjure from the contrast of participants.
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GHW NXT
Sept 11, 2010 0:21:18 GMT -5
Post by Matt Oliveira on Sept 11, 2010 0:21:18 GMT -5
Also you should clarify that if you join this it is as a "rookie" in no way shape or form calling you an actual rookie, for the most part this is for the storyline aspect *and yes to help out with those who want and or need it* But keep in mind for the OOC purposes that this could hold, we can consider a Midas touch effect with some of the rookies. Take TPK's own Owen Richards, as I'm sure Darth can transmit his RPing abilities from one character to another and be just as successful, but if he's only a rookie and has the ability to outwrestle half of the roster, what could that say about the roster?
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GHW NXT
Sept 11, 2010 0:31:02 GMT -5
Post by TPK on Sept 11, 2010 0:31:02 GMT -5
As far as Owen goes, sure he can wrestle. But he also has the advantage of having wrestled in high school and college, you put him on the mic though and...yeah let's just say he has all the charisma of a box of hammers.
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GHW NXT
Sept 11, 2010 0:40:59 GMT -5
Post by Linette Alister on Sept 11, 2010 0:40:59 GMT -5
Good thing this is all still "Theory" then.
Ok, as for the Big Brother thing, yeah, I do see it more as that. It makes more sense like that and can be easier to control in that sense as compared to what WWE does.
And a good thing with the style mentioned, and as WWE has shown. It doesn't always have to be Rookie vs. Rookie. It could be Rookie vs. Pro, Rookie/Pro vs. Rookie/Pro, Rookie/Rookie vs Pro/Pro.
Just a lot of chances to mix and match just within the confines of the idea, as well as being able to bring in outside people as well. Say a Rookie bumps into, I don't know, Vlad in the hallway and pisses him off. Vlad not being a pro, he still wants to beat the hell out of the Rookie. Match is made.
The Rookie is still learning, the match would be interesting and it's not making the idea totally confined. Though this is a very half-assed example.
Ok, the title thing. I mentioned that because I saw it mentioned earlier in the thread. As for the PPV thing. I've known in my time that people who weren't full enveloped in a story were placed in "Dark Matches" Well, this could give you one person for the "Opening Match" but once again, purely suggestion. Or, the winner could face their Pro?
That part will take some thought, considering putting them against their Pro could get in the way with what Said Pro has scheduled for the month.
Ok, and as for the last point. This whole idea with the Rookies can lead to a lot of friction between them and kind of gives them a LOT of storyline ability. But not only that, in character, these guys are the new guys. They're singled out as such and that, as most cases shows, gives them a reason to stick their heads out. Treading the deeper water and making storylines with those outside of EVO gets their names out there.
But still, all theory and thought from me.
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GHW NXT
Sept 11, 2010 5:40:17 GMT -5
Post by Sketch Kid on Sept 11, 2010 5:40:17 GMT -5
For example, when finding this true character,( I'll use Delta again because I'm on the bandwagon now for him) Does that mean I lost? (inb4: There will be an angry group of rookies called Evolus.)
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GHW NXT
Sept 11, 2010 6:44:30 GMT -5
Post by Thomas Walker on Sept 11, 2010 6:44:30 GMT -5
"Just a way to even things out for some as well. And leaving the "Voting" up to the Pro's, it can't be a one-sided thing week to week. The one that gets the most votes based on effort in, let's say, a one month span, the person being boosted to the roster at the PPV."
Thats the main point that gets me about this thing. Say there are six rookies, you go through the first month and you pick who is the best with your reasoning, then the others are left behind. Sure theyre still on that show but after a while undoubtedly the "pro's" won't want to have that much work anymore or they'll be "too busy" so either they'll be stuck in limbo for a while before all getting bumped or with no real story behind it they'll all get bumped like a week after the winner.
Sure, we want them all to get moved up but it seems a bit pointless taking a couple of months to put three guys up then just bumping the rest without story.
Maybe it wont happen in five, six, seven months but whenever this thing is rounded up we're going to have alot of people moved to the roster with no purpose or story.
Secondary position is, you should gauge characters. Some characters don't come in as rookies, if they come in with history and prior knowledge then they should be straight to the main show if they so choose. If they come in and they suck or could use help improving then sure they could sign up for it. Basic point being making it optional avoids the rage. If someone can back out after the first month when they don't get through and sign up a new character to the main show without HAVING to go through the EVO stage. Ofcourse, if they want to stick through the first character and improve then that'd indeed be favourable aslong as they werent still there in six months "learning the ropes".
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GHW NXT
Sept 11, 2010 7:00:22 GMT -5
Post by Ziu/TNA on Sept 11, 2010 7:00:22 GMT -5
I agree with Linette. But if we do anything like the "pro" thing, I would like to stake claim to either Vlad or Desperado. I'm sorry Ryan Hughes, but you have Wade as your PB, and that is just unacceptable in my book lol.
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