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Post by angelicninja on Oct 8, 2010 15:20:11 GMT -5
Kahlan. You do realize you had no hand in winning those belts from me and Night, right? And there have been other matches where you no showed on Shawn, correct? So, I'll have to agree that Shawn has been carrying the titles, and the Cut Squad since winning those belts.
Now, back on topic, good luck Night.
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Post by Brad Windsor on Oct 8, 2010 16:39:05 GMT -5
Absolutely incorrect. Excluding the fact that I am the only person who has done Cut Squad promos, I have showed in every single Tag match and it was my idea + participation in the Number one contenders match to win us the chance for the titles in the first place (again excluding the fact that I did the promo, asking to be entitled with a chance in that NO Contenders match). Secondly, I only didn't post in our Title match due at first not seeing it necessary and at a later stage not getting the chance to. I had a post prepared, whcih Shawn knows about but forgot to post. So he posted for a third time. All this Shawn carrying me rubbish is junk and nonsense. This is a tag team, based on dual responsibilities. What is stupid is my Tag Titles, no Cut Squad's Tag Titles being put in a singles match. I dispute that. I'm against it. And if the decision goes through I will quit instantly after my promised match with Hawkeye.
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Post by TPK on Oct 8, 2010 17:54:44 GMT -5
Alex Night is a heel...you really expect him to do things fairly Kahlan? You really need to chill out and face the facts that, well sometimes things are beyond your control.
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Post by Brad Windsor on Oct 8, 2010 17:59:05 GMT -5
I don't care what Alex Night is. It is the management that is supposed I suck cocks. Otherwise this is pointless.
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Post by TPK on Oct 8, 2010 18:32:40 GMT -5
Not really up to them on this one, he had the ticket...whenever HE chooses to cash it in HIS choice. If he wants to wait until one member of the team is tied up *Which he's done here* and make it a one on one so be it. Very clever move if you ask me.
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Post by Sketch Kid on Oct 8, 2010 22:03:06 GMT -5
Um Tag Titles just can't be fought for in singles. Otherwise the whole concept of it is stupid. I'm not having it. Has happened before, and will happen, seeing as Shawn agreed and I suck cocks, he has carried the belts since you guys won. For bonus points, who can guess the last time the belts were competed for in a singles match? Samoa Joe vs. Kurt Angle -------------------------------------------------------------------------- The only time tag team titles have been on the line in singles matches were when one of the partners was injured and a replacement could not be found, two tag team partners were duking it out against each other, or one person holds the tag team titles alone most likely from winning them in a handicap match. I can see why Kahlan is upset, I would be too if someone held a title match for my title which I'm not even included in. Even though Alex Night has the "gold ticket" that doesn't mean he can challenge for both of the tag titles in a single match. For one Shawn Dreamer only holds one title meaning that if Alex were to win he would only have possession of one out of the two titles. Two, supporting my first reason, Alex would have to battle Kahlan separately to receive the other tag title. Basically look at it this way, there are two tag team titles meaning if you were to battle for them in singles matches then you would need two title matches. Alex Night only has the opportunity for one title match, he would need to opt for a tag match if he wants both. |
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Post by Young Gangsta on Oct 8, 2010 22:20:30 GMT -5
Now, I might be wrong, but don't we have unified tag titles now?
"04/18/10 - Tag titles re-unified" -- RP Titles thread
No more of that "Silver Devil" and "Golden Angel"/ "Heaven and Hell" thing, right? So shouldn't both members of a team be present to defend their UNIFIED tag titles?
I'm not saying that Night shouldn't get to challenge for them, I'm just thinking that Cut Squad both need to be there to defend... Plus what the fuck is one guy gonna do with both belts? He'll need a partner sooner or later, so might as well find one now.
Just my two cents
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Post by Hayden on Oct 8, 2010 23:34:17 GMT -5
Ok. Time for me to step in here.
Firstly, this really doesn't concern as many people as you all seem to think it does, so if you're not involved, perhaps try minding your own business. I can see where both sides of the argument are coming from and here is my verdict.
1- To Kahlan: Quite frankly, this sounds like a good storyline.
Should you happen to loose the belts here through this, then you should be looking to turn it into a positive. It is YOUR partner that agreed to the match, and YOUR team that is represented. Perhaps more communication between the two of you would have prevented this blowout. Already just thinking about it, I can think of some really good angles you can take at this.
PM me if you would like to know more.
2- To Shawn: Communicate man. If you knew that this was going to happen, perhaps a PM to Kahlan would be a nice thing to do, after all, you are meant to be a team. If you had no idea that this was coming, then disregard that comment and read my comment adressed to Alex instead. Aside from that, this sounds like a storyline that I could actually get interested in and will spice up the tag team division.
3- To Alex: A nice idea.
Yes, teg team belts are supposed to be held by a tag-team. But there are exceptions. I remember a certain SCW tag-team deathmatch where my partner didn't show up and I fought for them myself. If I had won that match, then I would have held both by myself.
As long as you can all turn this into a good storyline despite whatever the result is at Full Circle, then this is a great storyline. I don't have a problem with it.
Yes, it is sneaky, yes it is a bit backstabby... But those are the best storylines.
Moral of my Rant- Look on the bright side of things. If you come at this with the attitude that the title is more important than the storyline, then try re-thinking things. Look at the way you can turn this into a really good STORYLINE and see the glass as half full, instead of throwing whatever is left in the glass in the faces of everybody else involved.
PM me or Hughes if you have any issues or questions.
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Post by x|SHAWN DREAMER|x on Oct 9, 2010 0:37:03 GMT -5
2- To Shawn: Communicate man. If you knew that this was going to happen, perhaps a PM to Kahlan would be a nice thing to do, after all, you are meant to be a team. If you had no idea that this was coming, then disregard that comment and read my comment adressed to Alex instead. Aside from that, this sounds like a storyline that I could actually get interested in and will spice up the tag team division. Well, to be completely honest with this, I didn't know 'bout Matt challenging me for the title prior to this promo. I was set to have a match with my brother, Stan and Lyn was preparing for her's against Hawkeye. Since Matt is entitled to challenge any champion(s) at anytime, I somewhat agreed with the "fate" and accepted it. I let go off my match with Stan to avoid double duty, so that I can fully focus on this one and win it for both of us. But then Lyn had to disagree with it, and she's somewhat right; why will she lose her share for me? Now guys, Lyn has been the only one who earned us the title shot in the first place and I really DON'T like how you guys are going with me pulling the Cut Squad and the belts on my back. Now, I really don't know if I could evade such a challenge. The concept of the Golden Ticket is taken off from the Money in the Bank and as per that goes, I don't think the champions has a say right there. IF GHW has a rule as such, I'd surely had a second thought. The floor is for Ryan/MD/whoever now, correct me if I'm wrong, so that we can kick start Full Circle with a bang. |
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Post by Hayden on Oct 9, 2010 1:52:44 GMT -5
Thats fine. I re read your posts, and it looks like you were backed into a corner. Disregard point 2 of my rant.
Smart thinking by Alex really tbh
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Post by Brad Windsor on Oct 9, 2010 4:22:58 GMT -5
Hayden I do like storylines more than titles or any other aspect of e-feding. My problem is with fairness. Kahlan is still alive, fully healthy and not injured. I'm not even on LOA or anything. So how come our TEAM gets to defend their titles in a singles match?
Ok I will assume Alex has the right to do what he did, and be able to challenge for the Tag Titles, when he didn't even win such a right in a Tag match sort of environment or with a partner. He will then get the right to go against Shawn. If he wins, he gets the one title. The other one still remains with her, I mean why would she give up her's when she is healthy and not even in the match? I can agree to the fact that if Alex wins, he gets one of the titles but at a later stage he will have to face BOTH members of the Cut Squad, either alone or with a partner and reunite the titiles. That is only fair.
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Post by Hayden on Oct 9, 2010 6:30:17 GMT -5
Fair enough, I see your point. Write it in then, cut a promo or do an in ring spiel about it: All of this would make for a really good storyline. Either way, you're going to end up with a tag team with some awkward dynamics.
I hate to spoon feed you storylines, but it sounds like an easy solution can be made. Here is how it works:
1: Alex cashes in his golden ticket in what he presumes will be the tag team titles. This is where we are now. He cashes it in against Shawn for his title.
2: Kahlan claims that Alex can only claim for one title, as per his golden ticket. He can claim for Shawn's belt, but not for Kahlans (or for Kahlan's but not for Shawns).
3: Match happens and depending on the result (and who Alex chooses to face), the new tag team champions could be any make up of
- Alex Night and Kahlan (if Alex beats Shawn)
- Alex Night and Shawn Dreamer (if Alex faces Kahlan and wins)
- Cut Squad as it is now (if Alex looses the match).
Do you see where I am coming from. Instant storyline... But now I've gone and ruined all of the suspense for everybody.
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Post by Ryan Hughes on Oct 9, 2010 8:00:42 GMT -5
These issues can easily be worked in to good angles. If anyone remembers Hughes vs Oliveira, there's your example. Mobile GHW ftw.
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Post by ultraviolent on Oct 9, 2010 11:28:27 GMT -5
Nobody bitches and complains about a TAG TEAM holding SINGLES Gold! But when I want to go after TAG GOLD it's a different fucking story in terms of what's allowed in wrestling. It's really just boiling down to Kahlan's greed for gold.
As of this moment, I am cashing my ticket in for BOTH titles. Fuck I know this was a dickhead move, but it's something different and I WANT people to look at Night as if he's an asshole. Because you know he's a heel on all. I wanted to do something new: Shawn representing Cut Squad vs. Night representing his team, when I chose to expose who it is.
But in all honestly, it would be a waste for me to only get one of the titles if I win, since I'd have to procure the other half later if I "can". That just takes away from everything the Golden Ticket is, and I worked hard for this shit. Besides, you really think theres not going to be a rematch if I were to win? You think "management" wont be "fair" an give Cut Squad a rematch after Night's sneaky usage of the Golden Ticket? Kahlan, it's not my fault your booked. No matter what I was cashing the ticket in at GVH. Your priority should be on the title, especially when champs are expected to defend them at PPVs.
EDIT: Hell, it would have been pretty damn lame if I used the ticket lamely. This adds more spice to it.
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Post by Skull on Oct 9, 2010 12:35:55 GMT -5
For what it's worth (hardly anything) I agree with Kahlan. If I was in her position and my partner tried to defend our belts in a match I wasn't involved in I'd be extremely pissed off.
Personally if i was running things i'd keep Stan vs Shawn and Kahlan vs Hawkeye but also add Cut Squad vs Alex Night. Now obviously Shawn and Kahlan don't want to pull double duty but that's the advantage of the golden ticket. Its like when the MITB holder cashes it in against a champion right after their match. They don't want another match but they don't have a choice.
I'm not trying to stick my nose in I'm just trying to introduce some common sense. That's how I'd handle things if I was a booker but then again i'm not...
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